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can't make up. >> all in starts now. >> good evening to you from new york. funding for the homeland security department is set to run off tomorrow, and republicans have been fighting to find some way to avoid the standoff. they are providing funding for three weeks that would prevent the shout down tomorrow. and the senate signalled support for that approach yesterday in a nearly unanimous vote to move forward with the bill. the senate has today reached an agreement to hold votes on a clean funding bill that will start at 10:00 a.m. tomorrow. basically senate republicans are now over this fight. house republicans still want to hold security funding hostage in exchange for a vote overriding
president obama's executive action on immigration. now less than an hour ago on the house floor, tensions mounted as they called kevin mccarthy a howard. >> mr. speaker, reclaiming my time. i have been very clear about the schedule for tomorrow. we will end our work by tomorrow evening. this house is taking action to make sure that the house is fully funded. >> you coward. >> joining me now, we have luke russert. we want to put you on because there is so much going on. >> this is the latest. the gop conference just presented their plan. it there will be a three week
funding of the department of homeland security. they hope to pass that out tomorrow morning, mid-morning or perhaps the afternoon. it could take that long. that will then be followed by a motion to go to conference with the united states senate over that bill they passed back in jan which was pretty far to the right if you talk to some members. and they repealed doca. so that is their plan. as far as whether or not the senate can abide by that, our own producer for nbc news asked mitch mcconnell if that is what they were going to do, and he nodded his head, yes, that is the plan that the senate would take up this house three week bill. we will see the house move on this bill, try to pass it with support and the democrats are whipping against it. and it buys them time to come up with a better way to ask the conservatives to express more
anger toward the president toward executive actions on immigration. what happens in the senate is interesting. they were moving forward on that clean funding of the department of homeland security through september. it remains to be seen how mitch mcconnell will change up the parliamentary procedural process. buying some time, but you and i can be on television on march 20th having this same conversation. the way to get out from this to fund the department of homeland security, no clear way how they do that over the long term. >> right, and that is the problem with some of those short term band aids. >> to reset here, how do we get to this point? republicans have been emphasizing they could not let the president's executive action on immigration stand. >> we need to do this by passing the house measure that ensures spenting at a critical time, but it also would stop the
president's illegal amnesty. we should not let that stand. >> that was the stated reason for this fight right now until just under two weeks ago when a judge ruled that obama's program would not stand. >> a little more than 24 hours before president obama's executive order was set to take effect that could stop the deportation of some immigrants, a judge ruled that the president overstepped his authority. >> that is where we are now. his entire executive order has been suspended. it is not in place today and it will not be tomorrow. that was the one thing that republicans were fighting to stop in that bill. it is not enough for many house republicans. they made it clear they would rather fight than win. joining me now is congressman mo brooks. thank you for joining us on this busy evening.
since this executive action has been stopped by the courts, what are you fighting against now? >> you're assuming that is a final order, and it could be stayed tomorrow. >> it could be stayed, but why not do something where you say we're going to not fight unless it is reinstated. >> this is one of the biggest principals we will every face in washington dc. what do you do when a united states president violates federal law and violates the united states constitution. we have a majority in the house of representatives that believe that president obama has done just that. a majority of the united states senate that said the same thing. two federal court judges said the same thing. and for that matter, the president of the united states said it is unconstitutional and then he did it they need to minimize the if the risk of further conduct if it spreads
further. >> what would yowl be defund something. >> that is the big if. it may be operative on saturday or sunday. the judge's decisions are not final. until they are, there is a risk at any point in time that an appellate or supreme court may enter a stay of the district court order in which case barack obama, as he showed in the past will immediately implement what we believe and what he himself said is illegal and unconstitutional conduct. >> to be fair to your point, the justice department is seeking that, specifically on this vote tomorrow, will you be with john boehner? >> tomorrow is like being
pregnant, you are or you're not. if you vote for the continuing resolution, and it is lifted, you will have voted to fund illegal and unconstitutional action. i'm not going to take that task. i cannot speak for the house members of the united states senate. >> let me play some new sound for you from harry reid on this debate. take a listen. >> we have money, terrorists a peer to have money, why should our homeland not have the ability to protect itself. what is going on in the house. we have two leaders that have not talked in two weeks. >> your leader, speaker boehner reportedly said he had not talked to mcconnell in two weeks, which is weird, your response? >> i agree with harry reid. the homeland department should be funded and he should stop blocking that funding.
they are insisting on protecting illegal and unconstitutional conduct. conduct that the president admitted is illegal and unconstitutional. if the 61 senators, republican and democrat who said it is illegal and unconstitutional would have actions that are in accord with their words, and this would resolve the united states senate. what we need is the american people to decide if they want to support illegal conduct by this president, and if they don't want to support illegal conduct they need to say enough is enough, first and foremost, we have to protect american jobs. and quit putting illegal aliens on a pedestal. >> you say you're speaking from
principal. you mentioned the american public. do you think that with this 60 vote edge in the house, controlling both chambers, if the security department is not funded long term you will have the public behind you? >> with respect to the shut down in 2013, the public remembered that we fought obama care. the polling shifted because we voted on principal. putting american citizens first and fore most. struggling american families, first and foremost, instead of uplifting illegal aliens like the presidentments to do. if that is what they want to fight and defend on, i challenge them to do so and i welcome the 2016 outcome.
>> president obama also weighed in on what he wants republicans to do last night on msnbc. >> we said instead of trying to hold hostage funding for the department of homeland security, which is so important for our national security, fund that and let's get on with passing comprehensive reform. >> joining me now is steve kornacki. >> this raises the question of how many mo brooks are there. there will be about 30 republicans that they can afford to lose and still get this passed assuming that every democrat votes against it. if mo brooks is representative of several dozen republican congressman, in a is an open question right now.
if he is, there is a possibility this does not get through the house tomorrow. if it does, then there is the question of what happens on the senate. how do democrats handle this. is it d.o.a. for democrats? if they don't want a temporary extension, there is still no indication about how it gets resolved any other way than the impasse we have right now. >> and mcconnell has held his caucus together, it is a boehner problem here. we wanted to hear from mo brooks because she the type of congressman that may be the difference. i want to play some remarks that got a lot of attention. >> we're the party of homeland security and the people who say they're conservative and republicans are going to ruin the party. the speaker has to bring this to a vote.
and the vote he is talking about is a clean vote. and mo brooks says we want to disagree with this but you don't have to do it on a funding bill. >> there is a lot more mo brooks than there are peter kings. he is a long island republican. 20 years ago he fought against newt gingrich and made his name. so the question is, we know peter king will be there but where are the mo brooks, the conservatives from kansas when it comes to this question. this is about the 20th time we have seen this since 2011. he needs to get to a point with this. almost certainly this will end in the next few hours with full funding for the department of homeland security. when can he push for that and
not risk an insurrection on the republican side. when can he tell them and have them believe i went as far as i could on this. >> the thing they're trying to stop has been stopped. i understand that it could restart, a lot of things could change in life and politics, but this is a phantom fight at this point and one that may go to the require. thank you for your analysis. we appreciate it. what else is happening on washington today? we're going to check in on cpac.
there is pseudo celebrities like sarah palin, donald trump, and phil robertson. now speakers today took aim at hillary clinton, the media, and of course president obama. >> hello cpac, how are you all doing? give it up, senator ted cruz. >> obama care is a train wreck. and that is not fair to train wrecks. >> president obama has disqualified himself. shown himself incapable of being our commander and chief. >> i went to my priest and said i'm giving up the "new york times" for lent. >> lecturing christians to get off of our high horse will not stop the islamists. >> i'll keep an eye out for the
for jeb bush is a bad thing. >> if the elites in washington make back room deals decide who the president will be he will definitely be a front runner. if the people of the united states pick the next president of the united states and he looks them in the eye, i'll do okay if i run. >> conservatives will hear from jeb tomorrow. he will speak before a crowd that may suspect he is a secret moderate. some are planning a walk out during his appearance. they're planning on packing the room with supporters. they did not need to take any crowd packing measures. scott walker who put his domestic clash in stark international terms. >> i want a commander and chief who will do everything in their power to ensure that the threat
from terrorists does not wash up on american soil. we need a leader with that kind of confidence. >> like many governors who have run for president before, you see walker testing out ways to build his foreign policy credentials and they have spent both of obama's terms fixated. and this primary is increasingly wading into america's role throughout the world. downing me now is brian darling who was communications director for senator rand paul. brian, you were there together, how did scott walker do and what do you think of his attempt to talk foreign policy. >> i think he was very well received. i think the crowd likes his energy and he was throwing out red peat.
on fortunate policy, there is something a little facile about the union of organizers to -- whatever he was trying to get at, threats aboard. plenty of candidates use rhetoric when they're trying to build up a toughness. when and how he would deploy force. what about that he is a middle ground between jeb and rand paul? >> yeah, well maybe. what it will come down to is these guys all pushing to be the alternative to jeb bush. they want to put themselves out there. but just in case jeb has a hard time getting across the finish line, doesn't have a good rollout or a good speed. they're talking tough now and
they want to be that candidate. rand paul will be pushing against many in the republican party, but most of the american people i think agree with rand paul that the endless wars, the nation building, it has not been a good idea and he is looking to break down a lot of lines that we have seen and be a different kind of candidate and win the republican primary and moe on to have a outreach effort to many constituencies is that have not been favorable to republicans in the past. >> rand paul has won this straw poll as previous cpacs. we seen there in 2013, 2014. his father doing well earlier. do you think there is any kind of emerging libertarian consensus at cpac this year, and specifically on the president's proposal for new war powers against isis on a three-year basis. did you hear anything about that
today? >> a little, i think you're libertarian minded people here, they're really worried about opening up a new front on the war on terror. they worry about an endless war. they have put forth a war resolution saying they need to declare war against isis. the concern is you look back at afghanistan and iraq, and the endless wars. i think people have concerns about that. they were against nation building in the clinton years. they're against the idea of nation building and using our forces for that purpose. i think rand paul will have a lot of sympathy on his push for criminal justice reform. people are looking at that in a different way. you look at the polling data, and people are moving toward the idea that it is a popular ideas. >> brian darling, thank you for joining us tonight. >> still ahead, the breaking news this afternoon that brought offices around the country to a
much of those videos. at the same time, they arrested three brooklyn men. stoking concerns about recruitment at home, now they're identifying jihadi john. a 26-year-old british citizen born in kuwait. one british rights worker says he embraced it after interacting with british security. >> muhammad is someone i spent a great deal of time with. over two years, because he came to me complaining initially of harassment that he had faced at the hands of security agencies. every single turn, the u.k. security are there blocking and stopping him without bringing any kind of criminal case against him. and eventually after this
extremely long period of time, mohammed leaves his family and they hear that he has ended up in syria. >> broadly 600 foreign fighters have left the u.k. and have joined isis and syria. three british schoolgirls were stopped at an airport boarding a train to turkey. they are believed to have crossed in syria. you can see two paths here. end up like jihadi john, working to murder people. or they can end up like one of these suspects in brooklyn, pulled off of the runway and now in a courtroom. joining me is malcolm nance. good evening to you. from a security per spective, what is the different in those two fates who want to join these groups. >> the best difference is that u.s. intelligence and fbi manage
to intercept these gentleman, two of them were before they made their way over to isis where they want today go, and join the jihad which would have made them full blown members. so pulling them off of the jetway is the way that we want to do is rather than have to have a laser guided bomb to do the solution for us. >> you mentioned bombing them, trying to take them out if they do make it over there. the other issue that we see with jihadi john is that there may be some sort of propaganda benefit to addressing and demystifying him. i want to read a view of that to you.
do you agree? >> i agree it will strip away a little of his power, but what powers him is the news media making him a super character. this is not the first time that we have seen a beheading. we had one from iraq. what you may see is that the isis organization may move away from their star pupil and start doing mass executions to get your attention. >> let me follow the thread of your criticism. do we, in the media, broadly speaking, american media. are we covering this the young way?
are we giving them too much attention? >> i think we are. the first criticism that i have with the media is the fact that when isis carried out their operations last june, the news media has, from that time today, been reporting as if this group never existed before. this is al qaeda and iraq. the same group forms in 2003. they changed their name and organizational structure to bring in iraqis in the leadership as far back as 2006. they had the name islamic state of iraq. it was built over several years. this group, we have fought from 2003 to 2011 using u.s. forces and we're fighting them again. >> and to your point, i want to put up a study saying where these fighters are going to the
west. they're going to somalia, pakistan, syria does not even lead the charge there. as a quantitative and historical matter, there is nothing salutely new or special about some people in the west going into the middle east to join these fights. >> for some people it is a necessary evil to now describe syria as, you know it is in fact a new jihad zone for the al qaeda organization. but these have existed since 1998 when they created a global jihad to establish an islamic calafit. we're seeing this play out in syria, they have taken terrain, and you have fighters that will come in from different areas. you will see these affiliates come in and dedicate themselves in the name of isil instead of al qaeda.
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president obama says emanuel is the mayor we need. >> he is making sure every chicagoan in every neighborhood gets the shot they need. >> he was a key part of my team at the white house. at times he can be hard headed. but there is a reason that rahm fights as hard as he does. >> he had more than a leg up in his campaign for reelection this year. he add the backing of the most powerful democrat in the nation and the most beloved in chicago. that was not the only president that rahm had behind him, there was a lot of benjamins.
he raids four times more money. and emanuel thought it was not enough. now he is headed for an april 7th runoff. it is the first time chicago has seen a runoff for mayor since the city switched over to nonpartisan elections back in 1999. we begin with a question. why is an incumbent with so many advantages having so much trouble. joining me is clarence page, a syndicated columnist for the chicago tribune. literally no better person for the story, what is going on there in chicago. >> both a shocker and also a certain inevitability to it. the fact is that the city is broke and deeply in debt. so is the state. and that was true when rahm was elected. the biggest surprise here is that he was elected by such a tremendous landslide.
this time, four years later, it was a low turn out election. that is largely because fundamentally, the city is in such a bad shape that a mayor cannot do up popular things. in rahm's case, closing schools proved to be cryptonite for his office, and now he has to fight his way back. >> do you think the schools and the sort of feeling that he went too hard against basically poor minority communities is the problem here, or is it more complexion because of the larger economic trends you mention. >> i compare it to a washington dc and their former major adrian fenti. and he had to close schools too, and just the way that it was
done and riles people up, that happened in chicago. i don't care if you're 40 years out of high school, you don't like to see your old high school closed down. even if you don't live in that area any more. that combined with mayor emanuel getting into fair battles with karen lewis, getting into the teachers union. and results in the first teacher's strike. >> you mention that fight, that is the other thing i want to mention. you have to do hard things, sure. is he doing them in a soft, or compassionate way? because for those of us who interacted with mr. emanuel for awhile, that has never been a strong suit of his. >> that's right, that is what was the hidden message. not terribly subtle in that cam bane had where president obama said he can be a little hard headed. he was not -- everybody knows
already, and people may have helped elect him. the chicagoans knew that he could be an s.o.b., but that's what they wanted because they knew tough decisionsed that to be made. that didn't hurt them four years ago. and now in many cases they have been the brunt of it, a teachers union, and people out in the neighborhoods. and now obama -- rahm is coming out of the losing end on that and they have to search violent crimes in the last five years. he has to get a good handle on that. >> i want to get to that, but to your point, can clarence, people knew this man. there may be buyers remorse. there was not false advertising. i want you to stay with us because the man who could give rahm emanuel the run of his life is here. violation of the law because a new law approved it by two
after midnight last night in washington dc. if you were 21 years old you could po tesz up to two ounces of pot and you could grow up to six seedlings. so with those two congressmen, will they get their wish and find a way to throw the mayor into jail? the major will respond in 150 minutes on the rachel maddow show. stay tuned.
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friending and amassing a huge war chest. he used to get elected and reelected. he spent $14 million in the last four months. he ran ads nonstop since thanks giving. >> was your idea that he was incompetent or too focussed on what may have been good for downtown and not the whole city. >> i think he was out of touch, not having grown up in the city of chicago. his priorities were essentially investing in the downtown area that comprises 1% of the city's land mass, and as we learned in
a series that the chicago tribune did, he spent most of his time meeting with honcho and engaging in taking huge donations from out of downers with hedge fund managers, large corporations, giving them contracts, appointments, a variety of benefits. and people took note that this is a fact that he is a mayor that rarely comes to neighborhoods and he is out of touch. >> let me interject. turning from that critique to something i about that clarence did. they talked about how you did in your runoff, in the runoff race here, you eclipsed emanuel despite being outspent 11-12, how much of this is about him holding together his multiracial coalition.
>> i think that is significant. the low turnout of people were not turned against rahm emanuel, they lost a lot of faith in him. meanwhile, jesus garcia, i have been covering him since the early '80s. since back when you were with washington's cam spain, chuy. at the same time, it will be a uphill race, of course, because not that many chicagoans these days know chuy garcia. i think he picked up where karen lewis left off. she was a teacher's head and she had to drop out of contention in this race because of health reasons. and he picked up many of those union people and other folks
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tried to capture them. then an animal lover with tv or internet could watch them. and commentary and celebration of the event overflowed. in fact, the tampa bay buccaneers saying they would like with their first pick the white llamas. they were recovered but questions remain like how fast are they on the laos. joining us is jack hanna. host of "jack hanna's into the wild" what are your thoughts?
>> what i worried about watching this was the forecast and the cars. what would happen if they got hurt or something. i found out something several hours ago. they already signed up for ollama care, they didn't have to worry about it. >> that's amazing. >> one of the only llama puns i had not heard today. tell me how this works. why are they so hard for humans to catch? >> well, i raised llamas in tennessee as a young man. i loved them, but everyone has to understand something. they're wild hand malls, they're great pack animals. i love llamas. i'm telling you that my wife, she walked away from larry, a llama, and he jumped on her back and hit her right in the kidneys at seven months pregnant.
she was seven months pregnant, you have to be careful of them. >> i have to ask you, when you looked at this incident that ended fine and everyone enjoyed it and had fun only, but the serious point you're raising, when untrained people were trying to help, is that a bad idea? >> i don't think so as long as they understand they're upset they can also bite, like a lot of camel. all great lan malls, but you put a horse in a situation like this, i was worried in all seriousness about something happening or being hit on. people they a llama will spit on you, i've been spit on so much,
it smells and it's slimy and green, but you will die from it. i was surprised that no one was spit on or bitten. you get an animal riled up like that and there is no telling what could happen. >> what is the big difference between llamas, alpacas, and camels. >> david letterman called me a encyclopedia of misinforms. they have a different coat. they're beautiful creatures. all of them are in the same family, just different looks, hair, and that type of thing, alpacas seem to bl big business. i want to start raising alpacas and maybe a llama or two. i was fascinated today watching
this making sure these animals were -- they did everything they could to make sure they weren't hit by a car or anything. >> if they escaped completely, could they live and make it like stray dogs? >> oh, yeah. you know -- out there, as long as they have grass or weeds to eat, that's the least of my worries. water. it's not like a camel, but they can go quite a long time. they can survive longer than a horse or other animals if they could not catch them. >> thank you for giving us all of the info tonight, jack hanna. >> that is it for "all in" this evening. i hope you enjoyed all of our storying including our special report on the llama coverage there. "the rachel maddow show" starts now.
>> i liked that, a lot. being a gardener has never before had such social cache. maybe like world war two with the victory gardens where nowhere had access to good food. you could produce the turnip and no one else could. the king of the world because you could grow people stuff they otherwise could not get. maybe in the victory era garden a gardener had this much social capital, but maybe not. what is happening now might be more extreme. people who can garden, that have the know how and the experience and the stuff and the physical ability to grow things out of dirt, those people are about to be more socially indemand than basically anybody else in this giant state, and this tiny